A Debating Primer for MCRI Supporters by Diane Carey
What they’re saying versus Reality
A Debating Primer for MCRI Supporters
Proposal 2’s opponents have a lot to say during the debates that Greg Brodeur and I, Diane Carey, have done in Detroit, Marquette, Houghton, Farmington Hills, Rochester, Saginaw, Bay City, Hope, and Grand Rapids, and at several colleges---Hope, Calvin, NMU, Michigan Tech, Delta College, and others Please read the following, to hear what they’ve been claiming, and the facts they typically avoid.
They say that Proposal 2 will gut gender-specific health programs. That is a lie. There’s not one word in Proposal 2 about health. Not one word. Check the state websites in California and Washington, which are brimming with research and screening for breast and ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, and all sorts of gender-specific health support programs, women’s shelters, domestic violence support, and rape hotlines. No gender-specific programs have been “shut down” at all.
They say that “there have been challenges” to those programs, that “lawsuits have been filed!” Maybe, but the challenges have failed. Anybody can file a lawsuit. Doesn’t mean they’ll succeed, and they haven’t.
They say that Proposal 2 will gut housing and lending programs. There’s not a word in Prop 2 about housing and lending. Not a word.
They say Proposal 2 will roll back progress to a time of Jim Crow laws and legalized discrimination. This is a lie. Discrimination by race and sex will be illegal. It will simply be illegal to discriminate against ANYBODY.
They say that Proposal 2 is an evil plot by outsiders, especially the California millionaire Ward Connerly who’s getting rich by spearheading these initiatives. They won’t tell you that Ward Connerly is black, that he raised himself from poverty in the Jim Crow South, and he was rich long before the California initiative called Proposal 209, and that’s why he was on the University of California Board of Regents when he discovered that the University claimed to give admissions and employment without regard to race, sex, ethnicity and national origin, but that in fact they DID give preference based on these traits. He was then ASKED by California citizens to help pass the initiative in California.
We in Michigan also ASKED for his help and guidance. Ward Connerly can’t change Michigan law. Only Michigan people can change Michigan law. I’m from Michigan. So are the 508,000 who signed the petition to get this on the ballot.
You’ll hear that thousands of Michigan petition signers were defrauded, deceived, lied to—and that’s why they signed it, somehow without bothering to read it! The goal of the initiative was printed clearly at the top of every single petition. They claim that 125,000 people were too dumb to read what they were signing. They’ve only been able to drum up 190 people to actually claim this during hearings, 46 of whom never even signed it, so they can’t even prove they were approached. That’s enough people to fill several football stadiums. Do YOU believe that 125,000 people were too dumb to understand what they were signing? That’s dumb on two levels. First, you’re too dumb to read what you’re signing, and second, you’re dumb enough to sign something you haven’t read!
You’ll hear that an army of California-financed petition gatherers went out and lied to Michigan voters. Well, I was one of the petition gatherers, and was not paid and neither were any of the hundreds of people who circulated the petitions I sent out. I took out press releases, published op-eds and did interviews in Flint, Owosso, Lansing, Jackson, and Saginaw, explaining exactly what this was all about. If anybody didn’t know, he just wasn’t paying attention! I am born and raised in Michigan, and so were all the people who circulated the petition. That’s the law.
I took my own poll. I contacted a sampling of signers, at random all over the state. I asked, “Did you understand what it was? Did anybody lie to you? Would you sign another statement testifying that you were never deceived?”
There was not one single person who I spoke to who refused to sign my statements. They knew what they were signing.
Okay, let’s take the inflated number of 125,000 and throw out every one of those signatures. We’ll still have something like 66,000 more signatures than were necessary to get it on the ballot. Proposal 2 is legitimately on the ballot because Michigan wants to vote on this issue.
You’ll hear that women only make 67 cents for every dollar that men make, but that statistic is a lie. It compares all women to all men, without factoring in job choice. Many women freely choose lower-paying careers like cosmetics, office work, med-tech, or teaching, so they can have flexibility. Maybe they want to have babies and raise them. Maybe they’ll enter the job force 10 years late, after their kids are in school. Maybe they’ve made personal choices to follow their husbands’ careers. Those are private decisions based on freedom of choice. The one thing nobody can change is that men aren’t the ones who get pregnant.
Women who don’t interrupt their careers to have children and who stay on the job the same number of years make the same money as men in the same jobs.
Also, men are 54% of the workforce, but suffer 92% of job-related deaths. That’s because they’re willing to take high-paying, high-risk jobs. Should we force women into these jobs so the death-rate will be equal too?
Equal pay for equal work is still the law. It will remain the law.
You’ll hear that in California after 209 passed, the number of woman-owned construction companies with government contracts suddenly fell. I would like to know how many of those companies are actually the SAME companies, but they just put the ownership of the company back in the husband’s name after having in the wife’s name so they could pretend to be woman-owned. This happens all the time! Affirmative action has spawned more minority fronts and fake female-ownerships than you can imagine. It turns honest businessmen into tricksters so they can get the contract they’ve worked for all their lives.
You’ll hear that “all” programs, scholarships, jobs and contracts will be affected. This is a lie. Prop 2 applies ONLY to PUBLIC education, public hiring, and public contracting. Women in public employment make 92 cents on the dollar with men, a statistically parity since many of those women are in clerical positions, and minorities make 99 cents for every dollar, according to the Citizens’ Research Council.
Prop 2 does not affect ANY private company, private scholarship, private outreach, private program, private affirmative action, or private individual. At all. Why don’t our opponents ever say that?
Don’t accept half a statistic, half a fact, half a point. Get the whole story. Consult RaceFreeZone.com, and then VOTE YES.
A Debating Primer for MCRI Supporters
Proposal 2’s opponents have a lot to say during the debates that Greg Brodeur and I, Diane Carey, have done in Detroit, Marquette, Houghton, Farmington Hills, Rochester, Saginaw, Bay City, Hope, and Grand Rapids, and at several colleges---Hope, Calvin, NMU, Michigan Tech, Delta College, and others Please read the following, to hear what they’ve been claiming, and the facts they typically avoid.
They say that Proposal 2 will gut gender-specific health programs. That is a lie. There’s not one word in Proposal 2 about health. Not one word. Check the state websites in California and Washington, which are brimming with research and screening for breast and ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, and all sorts of gender-specific health support programs, women’s shelters, domestic violence support, and rape hotlines. No gender-specific programs have been “shut down” at all.
They say that “there have been challenges” to those programs, that “lawsuits have been filed!” Maybe, but the challenges have failed. Anybody can file a lawsuit. Doesn’t mean they’ll succeed, and they haven’t.
They say that Proposal 2 will gut housing and lending programs. There’s not a word in Prop 2 about housing and lending. Not a word.
They say Proposal 2 will roll back progress to a time of Jim Crow laws and legalized discrimination. This is a lie. Discrimination by race and sex will be illegal. It will simply be illegal to discriminate against ANYBODY.
They say that Proposal 2 is an evil plot by outsiders, especially the California millionaire Ward Connerly who’s getting rich by spearheading these initiatives. They won’t tell you that Ward Connerly is black, that he raised himself from poverty in the Jim Crow South, and he was rich long before the California initiative called Proposal 209, and that’s why he was on the University of California Board of Regents when he discovered that the University claimed to give admissions and employment without regard to race, sex, ethnicity and national origin, but that in fact they DID give preference based on these traits. He was then ASKED by California citizens to help pass the initiative in California.
We in Michigan also ASKED for his help and guidance. Ward Connerly can’t change Michigan law. Only Michigan people can change Michigan law. I’m from Michigan. So are the 508,000 who signed the petition to get this on the ballot.
You’ll hear that thousands of Michigan petition signers were defrauded, deceived, lied to—and that’s why they signed it, somehow without bothering to read it! The goal of the initiative was printed clearly at the top of every single petition. They claim that 125,000 people were too dumb to read what they were signing. They’ve only been able to drum up 190 people to actually claim this during hearings, 46 of whom never even signed it, so they can’t even prove they were approached. That’s enough people to fill several football stadiums. Do YOU believe that 125,000 people were too dumb to understand what they were signing? That’s dumb on two levels. First, you’re too dumb to read what you’re signing, and second, you’re dumb enough to sign something you haven’t read!
You’ll hear that an army of California-financed petition gatherers went out and lied to Michigan voters. Well, I was one of the petition gatherers, and was not paid and neither were any of the hundreds of people who circulated the petitions I sent out. I took out press releases, published op-eds and did interviews in Flint, Owosso, Lansing, Jackson, and Saginaw, explaining exactly what this was all about. If anybody didn’t know, he just wasn’t paying attention! I am born and raised in Michigan, and so were all the people who circulated the petition. That’s the law.
I took my own poll. I contacted a sampling of signers, at random all over the state. I asked, “Did you understand what it was? Did anybody lie to you? Would you sign another statement testifying that you were never deceived?”
There was not one single person who I spoke to who refused to sign my statements. They knew what they were signing.
Okay, let’s take the inflated number of 125,000 and throw out every one of those signatures. We’ll still have something like 66,000 more signatures than were necessary to get it on the ballot. Proposal 2 is legitimately on the ballot because Michigan wants to vote on this issue.
You’ll hear that women only make 67 cents for every dollar that men make, but that statistic is a lie. It compares all women to all men, without factoring in job choice. Many women freely choose lower-paying careers like cosmetics, office work, med-tech, or teaching, so they can have flexibility. Maybe they want to have babies and raise them. Maybe they’ll enter the job force 10 years late, after their kids are in school. Maybe they’ve made personal choices to follow their husbands’ careers. Those are private decisions based on freedom of choice. The one thing nobody can change is that men aren’t the ones who get pregnant.
Women who don’t interrupt their careers to have children and who stay on the job the same number of years make the same money as men in the same jobs.
Also, men are 54% of the workforce, but suffer 92% of job-related deaths. That’s because they’re willing to take high-paying, high-risk jobs. Should we force women into these jobs so the death-rate will be equal too?
Equal pay for equal work is still the law. It will remain the law.
You’ll hear that in California after 209 passed, the number of woman-owned construction companies with government contracts suddenly fell. I would like to know how many of those companies are actually the SAME companies, but they just put the ownership of the company back in the husband’s name after having in the wife’s name so they could pretend to be woman-owned. This happens all the time! Affirmative action has spawned more minority fronts and fake female-ownerships than you can imagine. It turns honest businessmen into tricksters so they can get the contract they’ve worked for all their lives.
You’ll hear that “all” programs, scholarships, jobs and contracts will be affected. This is a lie. Prop 2 applies ONLY to PUBLIC education, public hiring, and public contracting. Women in public employment make 92 cents on the dollar with men, a statistically parity since many of those women are in clerical positions, and minorities make 99 cents for every dollar, according to the Citizens’ Research Council.
Prop 2 does not affect ANY private company, private scholarship, private outreach, private program, private affirmative action, or private individual. At all. Why don’t our opponents ever say that?
Don’t accept half a statistic, half a fact, half a point. Get the whole story. Consult RaceFreeZone.com, and then VOTE YES.
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